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Something That Pisses Me Off by AmericanMuscleV8 Something That Pisses Me Off by AmericanMuscleV8
Alright, here we go with the explaination...(gonna try not to rant too much)

here on DA (and a few other places) I have seen or heard comments by people of a certain belief system, that say they have their beliefs because logic supports it. ok if those are your beliefs, ok. believe what you want. but when you start implying that to believe in God means that you are simply brainwashed by society to believe it or imply that I reject logic because my proof of God's existence doesn't suffice your beliefs, then you are a jackass!!! and I freaking swear, I am going to go off on the next person who makes such a comment!!! having faith does not make us weak. It does not mean we are brainwashed. It does not mean that we cannot think for ourselves. And it does not mean that we do not rationalize events that are out of the ordinary!!!

Anyone who makes such comments is arrogant, stupid, and I swear I am going to go off on the next person that says something like that!
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MajesticBandicoot Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
true true yes.
Christains CAN be stupid because they're humans after all but they aren't ALWAYS
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IceBlast360 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
But yet you believe that every animal on Earth lived within walking distance of Noah's ark? It's not us accusing you of ignoring logic, it's us saying what's obvious...
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Artezna Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's what all the kids stories tell you. Noah actually spent 120 years building the ark and looking for those animals (according to what I've heard, anyways). 
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IceBlast360 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Because people could totally live for that long w/out modern technology!
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
I know this is an old post but felt inclined to mention that when God created man, they were perfect beings. When man fell into sin the decay and degeneration process began. By this it would be logical to believe that man's life span would gradually be shortened as copy after copy of man was produced. By this logic, life was perfect and has been decaying, a contrary belief to what is taught that life started imperfect and has been becoming more perfect as time goes on.
You probably have moved on from this topic, but it felt worth adding to it.
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IceBlast360 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
"More perfect"? I'm sorry, I know this is nitpicky, but if you believe that that is what evolution is, then perhaps you should read up on some science and biology textbooks.
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2015
That is how I would describe an attempt of survival of the fittest traits, a trial and error process to identify the most perfect biological system as evolution highly relies on. (P.S. I read up on plenty of science and biological systems. And if DNA replicators were that flawed to start with we would never end up with what we had to start with.) To describe it as "more perfect" is a simple and polite way of saying a single cell eventually becoming a colony of nearly perfect in tune cellular structures.
How would you describe the situation, IceBlast360?
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IceBlast360 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
First off, the below event is not evolution, but rather how scientists theorize life began on Earth. Secondly, the process that is evolution does not work to make organisms "more perfect", but rather allowing them to survive and thrive as well as possible for the environment that they are currently living in- and when that environment changes, given time, the organism will change with it. This is where survival of the fittest ties in, meaning the more likely something is to survive, the more likely it is to reproduce.
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015
and the "new" trait passed on to make the better species. As for your first off, you are absolutely correct. I gleaned too far back into a similar yet isolated topic.
I see ultimately the topic points to the questions of this: Genes. Does mutation equals decay or does mutation equal new traits? Just as "more perfect" is a relative term, I would argue that an animal's genetics being modified for its survival to be considered an improvement and "given enough time" an eventual strive or competition for the greatest, or "more perfect", genetics. The argument of time can also be made relative and elevated to god like status.
I may be getting off topic though. Let us examine the original premise  I mentioned earlier. What do you find irrational about the degrading of the human genome caused by replicating cells and inbreeding? Cellular replication degrades people everyday, these are the effects of aging and decay.
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Artezna Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
 You know, before filling our bodies with toxic chemicals from processed foods to pollution, as well as stressing ourselves out with modern day society, it's a possibility that humans lived a lot longer than now. Also, I'm just answering you based on Biblical perspective, I never said I was right. 
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IceBlast360 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
A few hundred years ago, there was neither nor... and even then the avg life expectancy was only to about 60...
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Artezna Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm talking about thousands of years ago, before people recorded their age.
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IceBlast360 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Dude, people have been recording their ages for longer than we've been recording dates...
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KillerTeddyBear94 Featured By Owner May 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
very much agreed :nod:
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deathzerobbb Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So true you know how many times people have said ive been brainwashed a lot they say im ignorant when in fact it is them theres no logic towards evolution none at all like everything evolving after billions of years weres the logic in that? And why exacly is all evolution according to millions or billions of years also its completly oppisite of the bible why?
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animedisneyluver809 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2013
Believing in God makes me logical because it gives me a bigger picture of the world. Having a belief in a higher power does not make us dumb. Religious people can be smart too.
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Thinker1988 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013
What? Proof? I thought you didn't need it. Faith is belief in absence of proof. How dare you offend your lord with such evil things? Logic and proofs are things of satan!
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Artezna Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
What's easier to believe, that good is the truth because it is consistent and takes on the form of the universe? Or that a particle of dust spawned in the middle of our universe and created a world that just so happens to fit perfectly together so that it functions, but not entirely, and then dies without a purpose other than to recycle energy. So far I'm thinking faith is more logical, simply because it's more open to ideas that synchronize rather than a few paradox observations slopped together. 
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Thinker1988 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014
If the truth was what is easy to believe, how many truths would there be?
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Artezna Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
One. 
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Thinker1988 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014
Looks like there are many religions, and many different interpretations for each.
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Artezna Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I just meant truth in general. Whatever the truth is, there's only one of it, and all consistent things are a part of it. 
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Thinker1988 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014
What works in reality is consistent.
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Artezna Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Love.
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IceBlast360 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
lol
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zeldamushroom Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think that it's absolutely hilarious that a lot of people think Christians "ignore logic" yet basically believe that the mighty dinosaurs evolved into little birds.... I don't get some people :XD:
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Smiley-Ink Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed XD
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CommandirBalalaika Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013
How is it logical to think a dead jew could rise from the dead? Or that some supernatural being has always existed without a beginning?
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Artezna Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
When we do bad, like murder, we can't predict our circumstances and we end up hurting ourselves and others. This is a non-truth because it cannot be understood or reasoned with. When we do good, we always know the circumstance. Our hearts are more open, and no one gets hurt. This is a truth. The truth, or goodness, never becomes false. The truth has always existed. God is the truth, He has always existed. Therefore, he is not bound by the creation he made and can rise from the dead if he chooses, because he is not bound non-truth, or sin, like us. God isn't a difficult concept, actually. 
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IceBlast360 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed.
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ChaoticDarkAngel Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013   Writer
Thank you! People can believe what they want honestly, I personally do believe in God so what? I'm not hurting anybody, I'm not forcing them to believe in Him, I'll treat anyone with respect so long as they treat me with respect. Heck even if they are disrespectful I'll still try and treat them with respect. Thank you for making this stamp and sorry if I rambled a bit, bad habit of mine ^^;
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zarhx Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
Yes, it kinda does mean that, since there is no logical reason to believe in your or ANY god.
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LukaErCaiman Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
Like there's no logical reason for the observation of an experiment to affect it's result?
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zarhx Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
There IS a logical reason, and we are well aware of it and minimize it to the best of our ability. It still doesn't justify believing things with zero evidence at all. Even if the things I believe aren't perfect, and never will be, they are closer to correct than your illogical assumptions.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You have never met the Spaghetti Monster, I see. You will.
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CommandirBalalaika Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013
I believe in the FSM.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
... Freight system mechanics?
Fascist Slot-Machines?
Fucking Sadistic Masochism?
Flying Sewage Merde?
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CommandirBalalaika Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2013
Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh no you see, I have converted to the true religion now! The Flying Tagliatelle Monster!
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LukaErCaiman Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
Tell me, how is an experimental alteration through observation within empirical and rational logic? at most, it would have been dismissed as a "paranormal, pseudoscientific phenomena" if it wasn't discovered that observation causes it through empirical means.
Of course, we both may not even know.... And honestly you just said something completely illogical, how are the things you believe closer to correct than what I believe in? that's just a heavily biased statement that was, in all honesty, random, I mean there hasn't even been a show of evidence or rational arguments and yet you are already impliedly claiming that your belief is "intellectualy superior" to mine, which in my opinion seems arrogant from this side, but I don't wanna judge you
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zarhx Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
They are closer to correct because they are based on what I can observe rather than being based on faith and a book. I never claimed to be intellectually superior, those are your own words. I also never called you arrogant, your own words again. You have already judged me, friend. (:
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LukaErCaiman Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
It does not exactly mean that, there's also several reasons of why a deity would exist, plus why are you exactly closer to correct? science? it has not proven nor disproven the existance of a divine being, and I can use it too.
Of course, I said that, same with "judging you", but that's because you said that your set of beliefs were more correct, and than those who hold a religious creed without even giving a reason, I'm backing my statements on what you just said, which has traits of such things.
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zarhx Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
Science has disproven nearly everything in the bible. Common sense also disproves much of it, but Christians fail to see it for fear of being wrong.

For starters, the FIRST verse in the bible.
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
Right off the bat, this was not translated properly, for instance. "God" was changed from "gods." Originally, there was not one "God." Most other religions on earth have had multiple gods. Christianity did too.

Humans change religion as they please. That's why Christians today are nothing like they were hundreds of years ago, or even tens of years ago.

If the bible were true, and written by the word of gods/a God, why is it not CLEARLY written? Why is it full of symbols and metaphors? Why doesn't it say anywhere "If you get a cut and it becomes infected, you should clean it regularly and keep it wrapped?" Why is it simply full of useless information and threats that you go to hell if you don't believe AND believe in the RIGHT WAYS?

There is no medical advice, no instructions on building things to save lives, no instructions on how to create a great government that will make all happy, no NOTHING that is of any help to anyone.
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LukaErCaiman Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013
When did judaism or christianity have more than one God? you mean the neolithic with the venuses and other fertility/food goddesses? Yeah, people would have worshipped that before, but if I may ask, so? is not a secret humanity does mistakes, and it's often just proof of it's interpretation subjectiveness. Keep in mind that Judaism's (from which christianity's formed) also's one of oldest monotheistic religions documented, and posibly older than that. It the same thing as with phylosophical beliefs.

Because it wasn't written by a god, it was written by humans with divine inspiration, why is it not clearly written? because of it's higher range of interpretation, like an allegory, to keep more information in less space, some laws are written that way AND treated as such too. Of course, it's harder to know when it's right or not but that seems to be the point, it also mentions things like "clean an cut before it becomes infected", but if I'm not wrong, many texts of ancient epochs use similar forms of narrative.
why does it threaten with things if it's not followed? because that is how pretty much every law works: by threatening with punishment if it's not followed, where is it different from "if you steal, you're going to jail"? There's not much "useless" information, modern morality has many of it's roots on it.

There's no advice because we're supposed to find our own way.
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Abraxas-within Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well of course you don't believe that, that's the definition of brainwashing.
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LukaErCaiman Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
just saying :shrug:
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LukaErCaiman Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
false, the definition of branwashing means "refers to a process in which a group or individual "systematically uses unethically manipulative methods to persuade others to conform to the wishes of the manipulator(s), often to the detriment of the person being manipulated". The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual's sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions or decision making."
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Thinker1988 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013

Making children pray before they can even read, making buildings that are only for the purpose of praying, telling them if you don't believe that bullshit, according to that bullshit you are blind, evil and you will suffer. Any argument they do is misleading and deeply ignorant about serious things. Someone wanked that galileo, newton and descarted were scientists and believers. Oh shit, seriously? (and notice that these are the first even an ignorant can have heard about in elementary school and movies for kids, LOL) There were many more, that doesn't impress me. Watch modern science and what scientists really think about religion. Science is advancing quickly, you can't rely on manuals of only few decades ago because they discover new things constantly.

 

What else? The brainwashing ways of the lord are infinite. People accept evolution. But still try to make it agree with religion. Why, what's the excuse now? People accept big bang. But since knowledge is totally limited in that field, they think it doesn't go against supernatural. Religion brings you to consider it cool to ignore science. People today don't know shit. Who is really informed? Only experts. People are sold on myths. Cos they wanna have their faith and don't doubt things. Which means, they don't wanna bother questioning.

 

Sounds enough like brainwashing to me.

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LukaErCaiman Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013
Brainwashing is the process where someone's forcibly taugh a doctrine contrary to theirs. Most children are as "brainwashed" with religion as they're "brainwashed" with math and science with whatever unsolved flaws they could have. Plus modern scientists? pff, the same ones that defend thermodynamics like a dogma, went on a "science war" with postmodernists and go on smear campaings on people that don't agree with them? Yeah, no, the ones stuck on religion are more politicians than scientists.

And what if people accept both? they're not inherently opposites, so they can be examined and an interpretation of both can be achieved.
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Thinker1988 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013

So you consider science a dogma, scientists angry sustainers of it as a religion, who go against religion that according to you, gives acceptable explanations of the reality as much as science does? You miss only one point: science proves what it affirms, and it's based on observation. You wanna point out like it's usual religious strategy, that scientific theories are not 100% proven? Fine, then become a scientific researcher and confute every science theory and math theorem. A scientist knows well that scientific theories are not all completely proven. But you seem to conclude from this that they are all wrong. A lot of them is actually quite certain. They can only be expanded. in the last century they discovered completely new things in all fields. But perhaps you don't realize that science discovering things that contradict previous conclusions is a joy for scientists, not a disappointment. Science and religion are inherently opposite. Everything of religion is enemy of science: faith without proof, mistrust of reason, mistrust of science and technology, don't do anything to influence nature, etc.

Science is a brainwashing? We use technology based on science in case you haven't noticed.

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